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document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:85.93.218.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 17:44:42 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'><br />还有人持类似观点没? 觉得中国当前的高考制度是唯一的改变命运的途径? 或者觉得现行的中国教育系统是合理的,公正的,因而应该继续保持50年不变的?<br /><br />如果愿意讨论的话， 大家可以把各自的观点在这里集中陈述一下; 或者就我的论点持不同看法的, 如果不同于已发表的观点的, 请继续跟贴...我尽量尽快找时间follow up...<br /><br />谢谢...</td></tr></table><br />另外, 我回避参与下列论点的讨论:<br />1. 高考是否SB<br />2. 我在哪学习...我只是觉得我的地理位置不对上述问题产生客观影响<br />3. 我该不该评价体制--因为如我之前说的,我会自我censor一段时间,不说脏话,不骂体制<br /><br />我们的讨论的目的是就我们所共同感兴趣的问题, 交流彼此的信息, 为各方增加相关知识, 为各方避免产生更多的负面效果</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70847&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70847\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70847\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70847&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70847\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70847\">4</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:85.93.218.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 17:39:37 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'><br />还有人持类似观点没? 觉得中国当前的高考制度是唯一的改变命运的途径? 或者觉得现行的中国教育系统是合理的,公正的,因而应该继续保持50年不变的?<br /><br />如果愿意讨论的话， 大家可以把各自的观点在这里集中陈述一下; 或者就我的论点持不同看法的, 如果不同于已发表的观点的, 请继续跟贴...我尽量尽快找时间follow up...<br /><br />谢谢...</td></tr></table><br />我的讨论点是:<br />1. 学生接受教育的目的是什么?是为了提高对美和人性的理解? 还是是为了获取新的知识,并且尽可能的推动人对未知领域的认识? 或者为了更好的生存下去?<br /><br />持不同目标的人群有时候可通过相同途径, 但并非所有时候都可以同路; 这个时候不同的问题, 需要不同的对待<br /><br />2. 当前的教育体系对学生的帮助和限制各有多大?</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70846&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70846\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70846\">3</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70846&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70846\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70846\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:85.93.218.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 17:37:07 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'><br />还有人持类似观点没? 觉得中国当前的高考制度是唯一的改变命运的途径? 或者觉得现行的中国教育系统是合理的,公正的,因而应该继续保持50年不变的?<br /><br />如果愿意讨论的话， 大家可以把各自的观点在这里集中陈述一下; 或者就我的论点持不同看法的, 如果不同于已发表的观点的, 请继续跟贴...我尽量尽快找时间follow up...<br /><br />谢谢...</td></tr></table><br />3. 花两年时间不学习新的知识,只为准备一个考试,是否值得? 当然,如论点2一样, 所有基于&quot;值得&quot;或者&quot;测量&quot;的问题实际上取决于价值衡量体系, 因而也就是取决于论点1<br /><br />4. 我们是否可以更有效的分配我们国家现有的公有教育资源--&quot;更有效&quot;这里是针对各个不同目标人群<br /><br />(...just as by default,大家也可以把各自感兴趣的论点各自归类, 我们可以就交集部分讨论...)</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70845&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70845\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70845\">1</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70845&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70845\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70845\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:91.121.159.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 17:13:11 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'>被楼下称为SB的考试还是很多中国穷苦出身孩子改变命运的唯一机会。这是出国留洋的那些人无法理解的。读公立高中还要喷这个，何不食肉糜？</td></tr></table><br />还有人持类似观点没? 觉得中国当前的高考制度是唯一的改变命运的途径? 或者觉得现行的中国教育系统是合理的,公正的,因而应该继续保持50年不变的?<br /><br />如果愿意讨论的话， 大家可以把各自的观点在这里集中陈述一下; 或者就我的论点持不同看法的, 如果不同于已发表的观点的, 请继续跟贴...我尽量尽快找时间follow up...<br /><br />谢谢...</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70844&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70844\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70844\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70844&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70844\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70844\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:60.215.143.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 13:32:32 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\">被楼下称为SB的考试还是很多中国穷苦出身孩子改变命运的唯一机会。这是出国留洋的那些人无法理解的。读公立高中还要喷这个，何不食肉糜？</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70838&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70838\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70838\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70838&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70838\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70838\">3</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:93.184.66.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 04:05:56 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'>[quote]70835[/quote]<br />But note that the education system in the US is quite different from the one in China in almost all aspects...<br /><br />One of those differences is there are much much more private high schools and private colleges in the US, and many have their own beliefs in how education should be carried out -- students and their parents thus can have quite a few alternatives to choose from...<br /></td></tr></table><br />Private schools can enforce their own admission policies, making the so-called &quot;standard test&quot; not so standard in terms of its weight counts towards an admission decision...</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70837&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70837\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70837\">3</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70837&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70837\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70837\">3</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:93.184.66.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 04:05:00 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\">[quote]70835[/quote]<br />But note that the education system in the US is quite different from the one in China in almost all aspects...<br /><br />One of those differences is there are much much more private high schools and private colleges in the US, and many have their own beliefs in how education should be carried out -- students and their parents thus can have quite a few alternatives to choose from...<br /></td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70836&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70836\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70836\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70836&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70836\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70836\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:93.184.66.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-26 03:56:01 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\">there have also been some vigorous debates going on in the US about the public schools and the examination, such as this one that I just read about, which seems to be a bit coherent with our discussion here (and many comments in the thread are really thought-provoking, IMHO)...<br /><br />news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10446067</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70835&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70835\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70835\">3</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70835&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70835\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70835\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:185.65.135.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-24 04:23:24 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'><br />后来在那段时间, 好多次, 每次在我最喜欢的物理课上课铃一响, 我就拿本还没看过的物理丛书, 当着教师和所有同学的面从教室走出去, 在走廊里看了一节课, 然后等下课铃响了才回去...<br /><br />记得当时虽然在外面看书, 但是心里很难过, 直到现在还不能理解为什么整个系统会让人SB到这种程度, 而所有人只能接受, 然后告诉那些更年轻的人:&quot;这就是社会&quot;...<br /><br /></td></tr></table><br />后来等经历多了, 出过国, 留过学, 结识了很多国外当地的同学还有朋友, 才发现, 在国内的时候, 就好像一直坐在井里面, 被旁边的同样在井里面的人告诉我, &quot;天空本来就是这么大, 你已经得到很多阳光了&quot;...<br /><br />只是我还是不理解, &quot;为什么整个系统会让人SB到这种程度, 而所有人只能接受, 然后告诉那些更年轻的人:&#039;这就是社会&#039;&quot;...</td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70829&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70829\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70829\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70829&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70829\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70829\">3</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
document.write("       <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\" style=\"word-break:break-all; word-wrap:break-all;\">        <tr>           <td height=\"30\"><span class=\"name\">本站网友 匿名</span> <!--font color=\"#666666\">ip:185.65.135.*</font--></td>          <td><div align=\"right\"><font color=\"#666666\">2015-10-24 04:14:45 发表</font></div></td>        </tr>        <tr valign=\"top\">           <td height=\"50\" colspan=\"2\" class=\"text\"><table border=0 width=\'100%\' cellspacing=1 cellpadding=10 bgcolor=\'#cccccc\'><tr><td width=\'100%\' bgcolor=\'#FFFFFF\' style=\'word-break:break-all\'><br />高二高三最没意思了, 花了一两年的时间, 把那些学过的东西翻来覆去的讲了又讲, 模考了又模考...搞得我们跟sb一样...<br /><br />在人们求知欲最旺盛, 思维最活跃的年龄, 花一两年的时间不去学习更新更酷更fancy的知识, 只是为了最后两天的sb考试...我真觉得我和我的好朋友们的生命被浪费了...</td></tr></table><br />后来在那段时间, 好多次, 每次在我最喜欢的物理课上课铃一响, 我就拿本还没看过的物理丛书, 当着教师和所有同学的面从教室走出去, 在走廊里看了一节课, 然后等下课铃响了才回去...<br /><br />记得当时虽然在外面看书, 但是心里很难过, 直到现在还不能理解为什么整个系统会让人SB到这种程度, 而所有人只能接受, 然后告诉那些更年轻的人:&quot;这就是社会&quot;...<br /><br /></td>        </tr>        <tr>           <td height=\"30\">&nbsp;</td>          <td><div align=\"right\" class=\"re\">               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70828&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=1&doajax=1&ajaxarea=zcpldiv70828\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">支持</a>[<span id=\"zcpldiv70828\">2</span>]&nbsp;               <a href=\"JavaScript:makeRequest(\'/e/enews/?enews=DoForPl&plid=70828&classid=59&id=14946&dopl=0&doajax=1&ajaxarea=fdpldiv70828\',\'EchoReturnedText\',\'GET\',\'\');\">反对</a>[<span id=\"fdpldiv70828\">2</span>]            </div></td>        </tr>      </table>      <table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"3\">        <tr>          <td background=\"/skin/default/images/plhrbg.gif\"></td>        </tr>      </table>");
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